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2004年8月24日（週二）上午10:00-12:00

演講人

Jim Highsmith，敏捷聯盟的發起人和第一任理事，《敏捷宣言》的執筆人之一，Cutter Consortium的敏捷專案管理諮詢主管。他的書《自適應軟體開發》2000年獲得Jolt獎。

主持人

錢嶺

聲音記錄

網盤下載(71M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=72993&uk=1795750932

UMLChina早期的很多專家講座是通過越洋電話舉行，所以音質和後來的講座相比稍差。

幻燈片

Agile Project Management: Reliable Innovation，

聊天記錄

(09:54:34)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:good morning to all.

(09:54:51)yuzhenli與所有人說:Nice to meet you

(09:55:30)J與所有人說:聽力不好，有沒有高手實時作文字釋出亞

(09:56:15)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:錢五哥負責中文文字釋出

(09:56:18)wwangzhihang與*JimHighsmith說:good morning

(09:56:35)*goblin_vivi與所有人說:錢五哥是誰？

(09:56:56)richardyan與所有人說:JimHighsmith

(09:59:06)*qlw5與所有人說:hi, Sorry for so late, I am qlw

(09:59:38)richardyan與*qlw5說:You are on time

(09:59:40)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:qlw5：錢五哥

(10:00:03)*xionganping啪啪啪啪啪啪啪……

(10:00:20)*qlw5與所有人說:Good morning, Jim, so long without contact with you.

(10:00:34)jjcao1231與所有人說:yes

(10:00:44)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:ok

(10:01:22)wwangzhihang與所有人說:有聲音嗎？

(10:01:29)*xionganping與所有人說:有！

(10:01:29)*umlchina2與所有人說:Is the voice OK?

(10:01:37)aaa與所有人說:OK

(10:01:48)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:有。如果聲音有問題，重新安裝：擇手工安裝碧聊外掛，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:02:06)jjcao1231與所有人說:還可以

(10:02:16)wwangzhihang與*umlchina2說:ok了

(10:02:28)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:where can I find the power point

(10:02:47)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm

(10:03:24)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:資料下載地址

(10:05:41)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:如果聲音有問題，重新安裝：擇手工安裝碧聊外掛，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:07:01)*umlchina2與所有人說:如果還沒有聽到聲音，請按右下角的“開啟語音”

(10:07:39)*qlw5與所有人說:講義在這裡: http://webseminar3.unix160.cn4e.com/webseminar/AgilePM_China.ppt

(10:08:12)*xiangmeihong與所有人說:現在有聲音嗎？我聽不到

(10:09:00)*qlw5與所有人說:我可以聽到聲音, 注意不要設定瀏覽器的代理, 這個語音外掛無法通過代理伺服器

(10:09:20)*goblin_vivi與*xiangmeihong說:有聲音的

(10:09:26)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:如果聲音有問題，重新安裝：http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe

(10:09:45)*xiangmeihong與所有人說:我在開啟語音的時候有一些聲音，馬上就沒有了

(10:10:09)*umlchina2與*xiangmeihong說:重新安裝試試看

(10:12:11)*flybean與所有人說:which page?

(10:12:38)*umlchina2與*flybean說:p4

(10:13:01)[*umlchina_seminar]與*qlw5說:五哥隨時把要點用中文寫一下 )

(10:13:40)*qlw5與所有人說:P4: APM的基本特性

(10:13:44)*flybean與[*umlchina_seminar]說:sorry,later,leaders here :O(

(10:14:15)*qlw5與所有人說:強調的是基於Vision,而不是基於計劃的開發模式

(10:14:43)*qlw5與所有人說:P5: 如何形成vision

(10:16:12)*qlw5與所有人說:通過協作, 所有專案成員對專案的目標, 產品的邊界, 釋出計劃都有統一的認識

(10:17:17)*qlw5與ASD說:呵呵, 你好你好

(10:18:45)*qlw5與所有人說:P9: 問題領域不同, 過程也不相同

(10:19:52)*qlw5與所有人說:P10: EF的定義

(10:20:49)*qlw5與所有人說:專案越新,越變化, EF值越大

(10:22:45)*qlw5與所有人說:P12: 僵化的計劃, 拒絕變更, 便會帶來災難

(10:23:18)*qlw5與所有人說:P13: 專案控制的幾個境界

(10:23:46)*qlw5與所有人說:注意, APM並不是以前的chaos

(10:24:43)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:大家好

(10:25:42)*umlchina2與所有人說:如果有人騷擾講座，請告訴管理員，謝謝。

(10:26:01)*qlw5與所有人說:P14: 敏捷性定義

(10:26:13)*qlw5與所有人說:P15: 敏捷性宣言

(10:28:40)*qlw5與所有人說:文件不是專案的目標, 產品才是

(10:29:06)*qlw5與所有人說:和客戶的協作是關鍵

(10:29:29)*qlw5與所有人說:P16,P17: APM框架

(10:31:07)*qlw5與所有人說:speculate: 制訂靈活的計劃

(10:31:33)*qlw5與所有人說:和靈活的目標

(10:32:28)vivian與所有人說:??

(10:32:35)*qlw5與所有人說:Explore: 可以看作是開發

(10:32:53)*qlw5與所有人說:Adapt: 變更

(10:33:17)*qlw5與所有人說:speculate, explore, adapt: 迭代的開發流程

(10:33:23)*umlchina2與所有人說:JimHighsmith：本次講座專家

(10:34:01)*umlchina2與所有人說:資料下載地址 http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm

(10:35:10)*qlw5與所有人說:P18: APM框架的具體定義

(10:36:06)*qlw5與所有人說:實踐和目標的提法是定義這類框架的通用做法

(10:36:36)*qlw5與所有人說:P19: Envision

(10:37:25)*qlw5與所有人說:P20: Product envision

(10:37:57)*qlw5與所有人說:描述產品最終的樣子

(10:38:20)lanbaibai與所有人說:jjj

(10:38:25)*qlw5與所有人說:包括客戶期望的各種功能需求

(10:39:09)*qlw5與所有人說:例子是: video studio pro

(10:40:11)*qlw5與所有人說:描述自己產品和現有產品的區別也是目標之一

(10:40:57)*qlw5與所有人說:P21: Envision的第二個階段

(10:41:09)*qlw5與所有人說:專案的scope

(10:42:04)*qlw5與所有人說:P22: 專案資料頁的例項

(10:42:20)*qlw5與所有人說:可以看作是計劃書

(10:43:08)*qlw5與所有人說:但是這不是詳細的計劃, 而是對專案的大體安排,特別是scope

(10:43:38)jjcao1231與所有人說:看不到，22頁沒內容

(10:44:10)*qlw5與所有人說:P22:是一張大圖

(10:45:15)*lijinie與所有人說:how to view p22

(10:46:33)*qlw5與所有人說:P23: 專案的協作關係

(10:48:49)*qlw5與所有人說:其中強調的是從客戶到開發團隊的資訊

(10:49:10)jjcao1231與所有人說:we can not find anything in P22.

(10:50:10)*qlw5與所有人說:P24: speculate

(10:50:36)*qlw5與所有人說:P25: 開發模型的比較: 瀑布模型和迭代模型

(10:51:02)*qlw5與所有人說:基於feature的迭代開發

(10:51:22)*eagle_yj與vivian說:hi

(10:51:48)*qlw5與所有人說:注意 迭代0與其他迭代的區別

(10:51:51)*eagle_yj與vivian說:no

(10:52:04)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:剛才掉線了 )

(10:52:09)*qlw5與所有人說:P26: Feature Card

(10:52:32)[*umlchina_seminar]與*xionganping說: )

(10:53:01)*qlw5與所有人說:P27

(10:53:34)*qlw5與所有人說:一個小專案的workshop, 每個卡片就描述了一個feature

(10:53:39)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:列表上面一塊是什麼人？ )

(10:54:13)[*umlchina_seminar]與*xionganping說:列表上面一塊？ )

(10:54:39)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:人員線上，好像分兩塊人？ )

(10:54:54)*qlw5與所有人說:紅色卡片應該絲描述了第幾次迭代

(10:54:54)[*umlchina_seminar]與*xionganping說:沒有啊 )

(10:55:05)[*umlchina_seminar]與*xionganping說:管理員＋普通使用者？ )

(10:55:34)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:帶*號的都在上面，我也帶*號，我怎麼在下面？ )

(10:55:39)*qlw5與所有人說:紅色卡片下的Feature Card描述了本次迭代需要完成的feature

(10:56:59)*qlw5與所有人說:P29: 團隊技術實踐

(10:57:20)*xionganping與[*umlchina_seminar]說:，只是好奇，問問？ )

(10:58:31)[*umlchina_seminar]與*xionganping說:應該是系統自動，沒有人工排序。可能你登入時間或者首字母x？ )

(11:00:06)*qlw5與所有人說:P30: 兩種管理理念

(11:00:39)*qlw5與所有人說:P31: 管理風格

(11:02:46)*qlw5與所有人說:命令-控制型 和 領導-協作型管理風格

(11:03:48)*qlw5與所有人說:P32: 規則

(11:04:51)*qlw5與所有人說:簡單的規則產生複雜的行為, 這是複雜自適應系統的特徵之一

(11:05:06)*qlw5與所有人說:P33: 領導-協作型協作

(11:06:36)*qlw5與所有人說:聲音質量好像不十分好?

(11:07:00)michael與所有人說:還行

(11:07:18)michael與所有人說:就是有點斷續

(11:07:47)*qlw5與所有人說:P35: 自組織, 複雜自適應系統的另外一個特徵

(11:08:17)*qlw5與所有人說:關鍵在於人.

(11:16:04)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:hehe, sorry for absence just now

(11:16:51)yuzhenli與所有人說:The course is very well

(11:19:24)[*umlchina_seminar]與*qlw5說:

(11:19:52)jjcao1231與所有人說:how can we get the image on P22. I'm very interesting.

(11:20:20)[*umlchina_seminar]與jjcao1231說:22頁就是一張表格，你那裡顯示不出來？

(11:21:10)*umlchina2與所有人說:questions please

(11:21:22)*qlw5與所有人說:講座完了, 大家可以提問

(11:22:16)jjcao1231與所有人說:can not see it, neither

(11:22:25)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:呵呵

(11:22:57)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:現在好像Jim還在說啊

(11:23:26)*eagle_yj與所有人說:i like the princeples of APM, but how can we measure the goodness of process of APM?

(11:23:26)*umlchina2與*qlw5說:回答一個報名表裡的問題

(11:23:46)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:OK

(11:28:41)jjcao1231與所有人說:Is there any software(tool) supporting process of APM ?

(11:29:46)*eagle_yj與所有人說:thanks to Jim highsmith for your presentation

(11:29:59)jjcao1231與所有人說:thanks

(11:30:09)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:your wekcome!

(11:30:21)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:Dear Professor, thank you for your nice presentation at first,

(11:30:26)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:Jim, how do you think about the open source in APM?

(11:31:55)ASD與所有人說:how do you compare your ASD book and APM book?

(11:32:01)ASD與所有人說:thanks

(11:32:23)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JimHighsmith說:how do you think about Rally Software Development（http://www.rallydevelopment.com） Rally Release 1

(11:32:30)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:In large companies, like Lucent, we use product-line process, which is a very complex process, we

(11:32:58)*qlw5與[*umlchina_seminar]說:follow ISO9000 and CMM, do you think APM can help us? in what kind of aspect?

(11:36:24)jjcao1231與所有人說:Can we stride over unified process? We are small company, but our manager like RUP2000.

(11:36:46)jjcao1231與所有人說:He believe XP is not suitable to Chinese. HOw do you think?

(11:38:41)jjcao1231與所有人說:the network is too bad

(11:38:55)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:And My question is, in Agile method, developers are very important,

(11:39:26)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:then how do you think some kinds of methods/tools which are trying to put the developers

(11:39:38)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:developers to the less important side, such as MDA, and IBM's eclipse these days?

(11:41:04)aaa與所有人說:在APM，對軟體開發公司的領導有什麼要求，是專業型還是管理型。

(11:43:18)[*umlchina_seminar]與*umlchina2說:明天這個時候還有講座，歡迎大家再來啊

(11:43:35)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:thank you for your answer:)

(11:43:48)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:From aaa, in APM

(11:44:54)*qlw5與所有人說:From aaa, in APM, what is the requirement for the leaders? should he be a technical expert or has

(11:45:00)*qlw5與所有人說:management background?

(11:45:26)ASD與所有人說:a very casual question:how do you balance your work and life?

(11:45:29)ASD與所有人說:any suggestions to Chinese developers;)

(11:45:45)ASD與所有人說:you know,China and USA is very different.

(11:46:39)*qlw5與所有人說:Jim, there are still many agile methods in the Industry, do you think finally there will only be

(11:46:48)*qlw5與所有人說:one standard "agile method"

(11:47:20)ASD與所有人說:a friend of mine is thinking about departing her husband.hehe.because of his hardwork.

(11:48:10)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:balancing home and work is very important.

(11:48:23)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:balancing home and work is very important.

(11:48:53)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:I'm a little older, 58 years, so I've had to learn that balance over time.

(11:49:06)yuzhenli與所有人說:Like European, Enjoying life is most important.

(11:49:22)ASD與所有人說:sorry for such a casual question.:(

(11:49:33)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:Yes, I love to hike, ski, mountain bike.

(11:49:52)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:No, it's a very important question.

(11:50:10)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:agile development stresses sustainable development.

(11:50:31)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:not working so many hours that everything else suffers.

(11:51:09)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:Thank you all for your participation. I have enjoyed the session.

(11:51:26)*qlw5與所有人說:The more hours you work, the less effcience you get, I think

(11:51:26)yuzhenli與所有人說:How to orgnize the team is an art.

(11:51:26)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:Maybe one day I will come to China in person!

(11:51:30)ASD與所有人說:thanks.

(11:51:39)ASD與所有人說:really?

(11:51:41)ASD與所有人說:welcomed!

(11:51:53)*qlw5與所有人說:Jim, welcome to China

(11:51:55)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:yes, the art of project management.

(11:52:08)yuzhenli與所有人說:Welcome

(11:53:02)yuzhenli與所有人說:Could you give me your email, JimHighsmith?

(11:53:44)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:[email protected]

(11:54:05)yuzhenli與所有人說:Thanks,you are welcome.

(11:55:04)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:Do you watch the olympic matches these days?

(11:55:19)ASD與所有人說:yes

(11:56:10)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:what sports do you like best? :)

(11:56:48)ASD與所有人說:mountain hike is very popular in US.

(11:57:24)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:that's very nice!

(11:58:12)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:And thank you very much for these two hours

(11:58:41)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JimHighsmith說:Thank you for the excellent presentation

(11:58:47)*JimHighsmith與所有人說:Thanks and I will close now.

(11:59:00)edge與所有人說:thanks

(11:59:06)*qlw5與所有人說:Thanks

(11:59:13)[*umlchina_seminar]與*JimHighsmith說:謝謝專家

(11:59:54)[*umlchina_seminar]與所有人說:（明天這時還有講座，大家記得來啊）

(12:00:01)陳先雄與所有人說:好

(12:00:01)*umlchina2與*JimHighsmith說:Good night and take care,thank you again